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TheDoby |
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yeeeeeeeeepieee!!!!!!
from spoilers it sounds......interesting. spoik gone a lil crazy.....damn that soul. onyl *counts on finger* 4 days ! |
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The Doby,
No offense, but what spoilers were you reading? Nothing I have read sounds promising. Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.
Tara: Willow, I got so lost.Willow: I found you. I willalways find you. Tara: Nobody messes with MY girl! Willow: I'm more of a breast gal myself...but then again, you knew that. |
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TheDoby |
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promisin lies in the eye of the beholder.
Previously......on Doby the Futon Slacker... |
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Ok so the Episode Wildfeed is up. If you don't won't to read what the whole ep is don't go to this link.
www.leoffonline.com/wildfeed/archives/eps-buffy/b7-01.html That which does not kill you will only make you stronger.
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Dark Wyldchilde |
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I sure hope the episodes more promising then the Wildfeed.
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TheDoby |
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wildfeed summaries and spoilers taught me one think. they cant be really compared to what itll be like onscreen. so at least i avoid summaries now....
first, i got mixed feelings about this episode. it had good parts, some not so good parts, but a killer set up for the season. im thrilled about whats to come.....thats what i mainly got from the episode. its good to see that the scoobies seem to have moved on from the darkness and depressin themes of last season. i enjoyed it, but now we have a new start and like with every buffy season, it starts out different and unique. what made me cheer the most, the uniqueness. the opener was quite different compared to other seasons. yew might have excepted after a the events in season 6 that it should start directly with the scoobies. but no..istanbul.....girl on the run.....from monk like dudes...whats with that? hm...the suspense. it sure means something or? there is some new evil brewin... than.....buffy actually showin dawn her world, and sharing it with her. nomore treatin her like a lil kid. and the buffy fun was back. very very funny scene on the graveyard. i really gotta say, i like dawn more and more. so bufyf seems to keep her promises. she is showin dawn the world, guidin her, and bein there to be her safetynet, but not leading her holding her hand. that was damn much needed. go dawn! i think it is interestin to see dawn goin to highskewl now. even sunnyhell high skewl, directly over the hellmouth. we get a new view on it, as the scoobies themselves already been there and done that. the kids act different, like dawns lil gang. it seems like presented through more mature eyes, like yew look back at highskewl, a few years after yew graduated. i sure does not have a repeatin season 1-3 themes feelin to it. not much xander in it though. he seems to make bigtime money now. and anya, still demon, but not so much with the vengeance. well, being a human and than goin back maybe wasnt the smartest choice on her behalf. but we will see. it seems like she has no demon friends anymore. so not big with the vengeance and socialisin over it with her fellow demons ? where does that leave her ? is she still friends with the scoobies ? and.......wheee whoopeeee freakin yeaaaah! how did i miss yew over the summer.....the mighty willow! she still has her magic goin, but is learnin to control it, and even more important, to understand it. "its all connected". wow...im glad willow learned that, and im anxious to see, how that changed her. she definately feels bad, about what she did, and giles didnt go for groundin and punishin but buildin her up again and helpin her to deal and get a new view on what she, is it seems. everyone has his demons, she sure unleashed hers, last season. one might bitch that she didnt mention tara, and im sure she will mention her, but as she said "its all connected". maybe by seeing this she understood life and death on a new level. maybe and hopefully she moved on. not like in "tara who??.......oh..that blonde girl i dated once...what about her ???". more in a sense of that she will grief but wont be stuck in that grief. and than...tada!!! "its all connected" and she feels that something evil is comin up...the hellmouth opens its greedy mouth again....whooa...im impressed with willow. the nice zombie fightage, well....sunnydale high never was so much about hangin out in class and worrying bout the test next day, huh? yew worried more if yewd live long nuff to take that test. the new principal.....what is he up to ? why does he know so much bout buffy ? why does he want her to work at the skewl ? only cuz she can deal with those kids ? hm...*furrows brow than the spoik in the basement....oh man...gettin a soul didnt really dew him good it seems. he left a rather...insane impression. i didnt like the setting of spoik, in the basement. it seemed a lil "oh and than we need buffy to meet spoik and he is like all cryptic and a lil gaga". but whooa! what is he like now ? the hair looks much more like william hair we saw in the flashbacks in fool for love. he didnt seem remorseful over his deeds like angel. more crazed, and lost. great actin by the marsters. kudos to him. im hooked on what he will be like this season. and than.......the final scene of "lessons"....spoik meeting the former big bads....or weee bads...first warren. but....wasnt willow last seasons BB ? than glory...ok...she was hell lotta bad, adam...ehm..yeah bad bad boy...the mayor....yup evil, bad...drusilla...uhm....angel was way more bad.....the marster...bad as he is ugly....and finally......BUFFY! huh? buffy ?? why the BBs ? why buffy in the mix with the weee and bad bads ? goin back to the beginnin......yes....we saw that...they counted down the BBs from s6 backwards...and "we will go back to the beginnin, we will learn alot bout ourselves". will buffy learn alot about herself now? about her true slayer self ? her origin? or was it all spoiks crazy imaginatiosn cuz he saw too many lynch flicks while wonderin what to dew with his soul? is it a shapeshifter ? an illusion? a set up? whatever it is.......it is a killer set up for the season!!!! im thrilled, i didntt like all of the executin and introducin of the characters, some of it seemed a lil forced, not flowy nuff for my taste, i seen that done better in other eps. i liked the humour in it, i liked the way the scoobies were potraied,i wanna see dawn kick some ass, i wanna see what xander is up to, if anya will be seen around the scoobies, how they and willow will reunite, i wanna see buffy learn bout herself, and spoik strugglin with his soul. overall a good ep, that says "You think you know ... what's to come ... what you are. You haven't even begun." Buffy is back, and im feelin like a lil kid under the christmas tree, ready to unwrap all of the lil 22 packages, which will than be one big gift.....excuze me while i wait for next week, and ponder the buffyness a lil more in my head. Previously......on Doby the Futon Slacker... |
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Dark Wyldchilde |
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Ok now for another persecptive...
They didn't MOVE to the lighter stuff, they leapt to it. All the resolution, the ONLY resolution to season 6's darkness was under 10 mintues. I actually reset my VCR's counter at one point and it was literally udner 7 minutes. But then again, you wouldn't want to linger. I mean can't most people get over that much misery in a matter of hours time (in the show)? Buffy's stopped protecting Dawn? Like when she was out banging Spike all night? Or more like when she was ready to have him take acre of Dawn after she managed to keep him from "taking care" of her in a remarkable recovery from attempted rape. Because she obviously recovered since her reaction to finding him, crazed or no was pretty freakin friendly considering his actions. But awwwwwwww Spike feels bad, that makes it ok. One of the few things that might make the season worth while is seeing Marters tallent show Spike suffering, but that character was ruined for me back in Buffy's bathroom. And Xander, yes mighty Xander who can hurt whoever he wants and continue on oblivious. (A necessary power in BTVS since the main characters can commit no REAL wrong.) He's out making long green while he messed Anya up so bad she can't even move on with her life. Then there's Willow... who now uses the good non-addictive magick. (Methadone anyone?) I mean what the...? First magick wasn't addictive (1-5) then it was 6-6.5 then it was only the darker magicks Willow was using? I mean come on! She got juiced off Giles and he didn't have a drop of the dark stuff. This isn't a case of the maigck now representing a new mataphor because were still dealing with one character and the fall out of her reaction to the old metaphor. It seems to me a case of "Well, we wanted Willow all evil and the evil mystick crack whore was all nice and angst filled for us, but we still ahve the budget for spell effects so we can't have Willow go off the wagon either." Finally Tara, from interviews they know what fans have felt and not only did we not get a single mention of her, but sintead we get to see her murderer instead? Is this another case of Joss giving us what we "need"? Ohhh, and as a side note with Dawn... her own little Soocby gang... there not going back to the begining they're recyling plot. Especially when you consider they become friends right after their life is threatened. No case of that one girl who was with her when they went out with vamps on Halloween. No case of the guy she was crushing on and udnerstood what she felt when she cut herself? I guess they got over the idea of keeping the secondary characters consistent when they blew away the longest running one. All this and I ahve yet to see the ep. Be afraid, be very, very afraid. I am. |
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"It's not about right, not about wrong, it's about power."
Well, last year was about learning to deal with responsibility. To borrow the old Spidey phrase "with great power comes great responsibility." It's nice to see that the core concept of this season is being laid out pretty clearly from the get go. Xander is now more and more succesful as an architect. Buffy is given a role to influence the lives of students. Willow is attached to magical power whether she wants to be or not. Spike has a soul again. Anya is a vengence demon still, yet questions her role. And now Dawn is at the head of her own gang of Scoobies. Even a new figure of power is introduced in the form of Principal Wood. Interesting that the episode featuring our core characters and an examination of a more mature responsibility and power is the same that introduces him. In the past the Sunnydale High principals have been ineffectual, short-sighted, and apart from the students. Now we have a principal who is actually on "our side" and wants to make a positive change for his students. Nice reflection of the change in thematics. Buffy's new role hits me very close to home as a future educator. Up until a few months ago I really questioned whether this was something I wanted to do with my life and I was somewhat afraid of the responsibilities inherent. After stepping into a school and interacting with both educators and students for the first time as an adult I found myself moved by what I saw and given a sense of purpose. For someone who has struggled so much with her own sense of identity and purpose I can only hope that her new role gives Buffy a similar sense of contentment. In terms of plot, this gives the show a whole new basis to work from. With the school located on a reinvigorated Hellmouth there is a basis for all sorts of dangers to occur/re-occur. Buffy's new job will give her more of an inside track to the troubles that might be going on throughout Sunnydale. Dawn and her Newbie Gang (oh lord, shoot me now) could provide for a great storytelling outlet, and might possibly be the future of the franchise. What role will Principal Wood play in future events? It seems like he knows more about Buffy than we've had the chance to see so far. Willow's brief segment was well-done and lent itself perfectly to the topic at hand. As much as I might've liked to see non-magic using Willow back, I'm also glad that we might get a more balanced portrayal of magic again in the upcoming episodes. Right now the interaction between Willow and Giles is only taking the form of interludes, but this could work very well in future dramatic possibilities. Establishing the status quo in Sunnydale will be important before re-introducing Willow into the mix. It builds anticipation for how the characters will interact and adds a bit of interest as to what her role will be now. I know this opinion isn't going to be popular here, but this episode wasn't the time for the Tara issue to be addressed. Considering that three months have elapsed since the events of Seeing Red it's not that hard to believe that she and Giles have discussed the issue of Tara, quite probably at length and frequently. I'm hoping that we will see some of this when she rejoins the Scoobies state-side. The Tara issue is definitely one that needs to be addressed, but so do the I tried to kill my friends, I killed someone, and the tried to blow up the world issues. I'd rather wait to see how these issues are addressed when Willow is a part of the full-plotline rather than when her story is in the interlude phase. And then there's Spike. I'd really hesitate to call anything he received at the end of last year a "reward" after seeing this episode. The guy has obviously been driven looney and isn't having a very good time. Is this punishment enough? I'm withholding judgement, but I hope this somehow leads to an examination of how culpable the current person is for his prior actions and whether or not his soul status is the same as the one plaguing Angel. Is he a vampire with morals and choices now or is he still without moral compass? Maybe he'll be driven to commit evil acts but plagued with their repricussions. More questions and some interesting set-up. Compared with last year's start I'm feeling way more hyped up for what lies ahead. This episode laid out quite a few developments to be built upon in the future while also presenting an entertaining hour of television. Who is behind the Talisman? What side will Spike be on? What role will the upcoming returning characters play? Will Dawn truly grow into the role of the slayer? How will the Scooby Gang react to the Newbie Gang? And most importantly, who is super shifty villain talking with Spike? I can only hope this year's big bad is the same entity we saw way back in S3's Amends, but that's my favorite episode ever so of course I would say that. And addressing a few points... Quote: Not all the resolution, just all the resolution we saw this week. If you look back at Anne or Bargaining there were still quite a few issues left un-addressed at the end of those episodes. Each ended with Buffy's return, be it from the dead or running away, and each addressed some points of the previous year without completely resolving matters either. It's necessary to have forward movement while also addressing what has happened before. By spreading the consequences out over the coming weeks it gives a chance for long-term plot threads to be dealt with while also presenting new ones. Quote: If Xander was oblivious why did he run away for awhile and come back still feeling distraught? Why did he express a desire to remain with Anya and a love for her? Why was there a strong tension anytime the characters appeared together after the wedding? Maybe he didn't have a scene that established his current feelings towards Anya, but it seems a bit early to call him oblivious. And regarding making green maybe the guy has thrown himself into his work as a way of overcompensating for his recent failure. Maybe he feels that if he furthers his own social standing Anya will be more tempted to come back to him. Maybe by earning more green, something Anya has expressed interest in a couple of times, he'll be more desireable to her. Flawed thinking? Yes, but people who are somewhat freshly out of a broken relationship tend to do irrational things to compensate. Quote: Well, first off a lot of teenagers shift social groups throughout their academic careers and find themselves drifting apart from one friend or set of friends while becoming closer with others. Secondly, Sunnydale High is a new school. With modern California zoning laws and schooling situations there is nothing to say these two kids aren't in a different zone now that SHS has been re-opened. Quote: It's a real shame they brought that old chestnut back. It was cliched enough when they introduced that new Wiccan through the danger route back in Hush. Perhaps the one core theme that has run through the previous seven years of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the notion of growing up. Each season has featured the core characters going through changes which the viewers at home can relate to through their own experiences. One of the biggest aspects of growing up, and the phase they are at right now, is the moment where you realize that you might still be growing and changing, but there is a whole new generation coming behind you who are going through the same sorts of experiences you have. The music might be different, they might wear clothes that would've gotten you kicked out when you were in school, you might not know whether something being "tight" is good or bad, but you recognize that they are not really all that different than you were. I don't see how this week's episode was really a re-hash of anything that had come before it, especially considering the situation it has put our central character into. While some of the scenarios might be similar, and the high school setting is one from the past, Buffy's found herself in a brand new role. We've spent the past 6 years watching her grow through the difficult phases of her life and learn from them. Now we are seeing this wisdom passed on in two forms. First, as a Watcher training Dawn to slay vampires. Secondly, and in some ways more importantly, we see her land a job where she will be able to utilize everything she has learned to help troubled students get their lives together and hopefully effect a positive change on them. Maybe it's just a matter of me connecting with the education setting too strongly, but this is quite possibly one of the most brilliant ways of linking Buffy to the "real world" that we've seen so far. "When a chicken in this neighborhood gets angry it *will* chase you down."
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So as an educator a member of the staff would be hired after being seen talking to a group of students with no accredation and no background check (yes I know he knew her record but 3 years passed since high school)? I wish I found my jobs that easily. Of course in most school I've ben too any adult wandering around the grounds with no discernable purpose (aka zombie hunting don't count) would be escorted out.
Now as far as Spike... yeah ok he's being punished BUT he got what he wanted. Whatever the outcome he set out to gain a soul and he got it. It coudl very well turn out to be a case of be careful what you wish for but he still sought it out. Angel said a soul is a blessing and while there may be a rocky road cannon says he's right. Now with Willow I have to say how can the idea of magick be balanced? It's addictive, Willow got hooked, Amy got hooked, an alcholoic can not drink socially and I don't get how Willow can be exposed to the same substance that brought about her downfall. To balance it seems to me to be far to out of established cannon and characterization. Ohhh, and from waht I read they didn't adress Willow's killing spree either, NOTHING from season 6 was addressed. For at least this episode it was all, ALL swept under the rug. The closest was Anya and that just touched on her discomfort with her demonic duties. Which again brings up the souless demon deal and the question why Anya can have remorse while Spike needed a soul to get some. Now to address you addressing. Resolution... In "When she was bad." The big part of season 1, Buffy's death, was addresed. "Anne" did not have her home and that's kind of the point. When the season started the events of the previous were acknowledeged. She had to come ot the conclusion to go home and set things right. There wasn't just a magick "3 months pass and everything gets fixed." "Living Conditions" didn't impress me as much but it still had Buffy adjusting to colledge life and not just automatically comfortable as a student. "Buffy vs Dracula" has her being controlled more and more by her powers and instincts and starting to look for a way to deal with it. Even in season 6 Buffy was still in the ground. Xander... I've seen him as oblivous since season 1. I can't stand the character. All I would say is that all the points you go against the self-centered characterization of the past 6 seasons, right up to Hells Bells. As far as Dawnies new friends, my point is that they've had other options and ignored them. A series that at least had the mentality to keep recycling Jonathan could have Dawn at least with Janice who has been referred to before and has had experience with vampires. As far as the new characters? They haven't done that since season 1. I've heard time and time again (usually when talking about Tara's death) Joss wanted to focus on the core characters. What this group is going to do is give us a group of characters we have no connection to that can pull the camera away from the characters we have been following from the start. Ohh and as far as Tara... I (we) have went how many months now with out only image of Tara being her body bag. They KNEW how hurt people have been and just couldn't be bothered to address that issue. Again and again they can't be bothered to give a damn. They talk about how hurtful the letters have been but they keep handing it out. First time they made the wound, this just poured salt. BUt I'm sure Joss will tell us we NEEDED it. |
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Quote: No, but at the same time any librarian seen spending all of his free time with a group of students would probably be severely reprimanded if not suspended for fraternizing with students. There has been quite a bit of suspension of disbelief necessary for any of this stuff going all the way back to the pilot. And while it could turn out this isn't the case, it seems as if Wood has some knowledge of Buffy's role as a defender of the previous Sunnydale High. He never really gets the opportunity to speak with her fully until she rapidly accepts the job offer. There is way more going on here than has been shown yet. I can't really pony up evidence that he is fully aware, but the implications were there repeatedly. And many schools do utilize community outreach programs although very few are budgeted for actually hiring staff. Quote: Not sure if by cannon you mean canon & canonicity or not. While he has made this statement and accepted his role as a champion, you'd find quite a different case if you asked him earlier on in the soul days. Back when Whistler first approached him Angel was avoiding life altogether and living like an animal. Incidents like the moment of happiness with Buffy have caused him tremendous torment. Plus, there is the fact that it has always been refered to by the majority of characters (and Angel himself) as a curse and was initially put upon him as an act of vengence. While he may have grown to view it as a blessing, this wasn't always the case. Quote: -Buffy accepting her role as Dawn's mother figure. -Buffy training Dawn to be a slayer -Anya's demonic nature -Spike's soul -Willow/Giles discuss power, her trying to blow up the world, and the way she is being treated by those working with her now. Murder is bad, but to these people they are dealing with someone who tried to wipe out existence. It probably comes across as a bigger deal, especially since they weren't there to see the more small-scale aspects of it. -Buffy finds a job. -Buffy sees Spike again for the first time since the infamous incident. Quote: First off there is nothing to say that the actress was available or that they wanted to use her in a recurring/enhanced role. Secondly, they are utilizing two troubled characters, and what little we saw of Janice didn't really seem to fit this. Third, being familiar with vampires would have worked contrary to this story. It was necessary to have characters in a state of disbelief at what was going on who were also in disbelief that someone else believed them and was helping them. Quote: The same could be said here for developments with Willow. We are seeing her slowly come to accept a new status quo and learn from her mistakes. Some of this has happened off-camera over summer, some of it no doubt lies ahead. Events are changing back at home, some of it has been dealt with, other aspects are still in the air. Not sure how that differs outside of which character is in exile. Quote: The series has always had a history of introducing new characters to add a different mix to the dynamic. Jenny Calendar, Oz, Amy, Jonathan, Anya, Faith, Tara, Riley, Kendra, and many others have come and gone in various levels of participation to name but a few. Each of these characters has introduced a new element into the series and given us some interesting reactions from the core Scoobies. "When a chicken in this neighborhood gets angry it *will* chase you down."
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it is kinda like last year. 3 months passed for the scoobies off screen, adn things were unresolved. we didnt exactly see how they dealt with buffys death. yeah they were kinda sad and stuff, and willow wanted to raise her, but apart from that they had found a way to go on with their lives. and that is a very important thing to dew. to move on, and make the best yew can outta the situation yew were left in. its the same thing they dew now. we got an introduction into a new season, a very very interestin set up, and some things are unresolved, many thing even.
i as the viewer, want to see how xander and anya will interact, what is leftover from the fallout for em. i wanna see willow come back, i wanna know how she feels bout tara and her killin spree. i wanna see buffy deal with spoik, and i wanna know what is goin on with him. how havin a soul, affects his actions from last season. and that things are bein set up. a new chapter was opened, that will deal with issues from the last, but also moves on. like in life, yew get smacked down, yew try to deal, yew move on, you get a new view on things. *shrugs shoulders* Previously......on Doby the Futon Slacker... |
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dum di dum......sorry......but i cant help pondering a few things.
two things were stated in this episode, that left me ponderin... "Everything is connected" did Willow find new wisdom? does this apply to the scoobies as well? will it be relevant for season 7? it is a very mature statement. it implies, that yew cant find the ultimate truth, or the ultimate sense, cuz there is no beginning and no end, as everything is connected. life is too complex to come the ultimate conclusion of things. yew gotta realize that any action yew take, will provoke a reaction. i hink this is a mayor step willow took. to realize this lil truth....willow sure changed. she became much more mature i think. i could ponder this sentence to no end....but what dew yew guys think ? "Its all about the Power" Buffy said it to dawn, the shapeshiftin/illusion thingie said it at the end of the episode. makes yew wonder, or ? buffy says its about power, and from how it looks, the new evil, if thats is what it is, what we saw, too. very connected, huh? power.....over what ? willow has power, buffy is the slayer, dawn learns to wield power, xander has power as in money now, anya has power as a vengeance demon, spoik has power as a vampire. buffy had power over spoik, as he had, too within their relationship. the same goes for anya and xander, willow/tara. relationships can be compared to powerstruggles. Buffy stated, the vampire had the power. a superhero saying the opponent holds the power. how far does this apply ? the evil left it at a "Its all about the Power". whos power ? power over what ? power in what sense ? .....leaves to wonder more, and is ultimately scared that buffy, dawn and xander have now cellphones....what is even worse than the new brewin evil.....that things will be the scoobies doom...... Previously......on Doby the Futon Slacker... |
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Ok, I didn't know about Community Outreach programs. I will however include the principal with my thoughts on the two OTHER new characters. She didn't find a job though, it was HANDED to her.
They were never dropped in all at once. Oz's first ep was Inca Mummy Girl (I think) and while he noticed Willow right off there was no instant connection. He didn't go from second to near regular right away. Jenny first showed up in "Me Robot, You Jane" but she didn't really connect until "Prophecy Girl". Even our beloved Tara had to wait a bit. Now we've had three characters dropp in, with little preamble but big roles. My favorite character Faith had a similar entry, but at least she had things like Kakistos, AND friction with Buffy. Again, and she entered one at a time. So we have a 3 pack of shallow support staff drop out of the sky. Let's face fact, two of them were cloned from Willow and Xander's genetic material. I mean they couldn't even vary that. Now with Buffy and Dawn and Buffy training Dawn. WHY didn't she train anyone else? I mean we've seen Xander swinging axes and Willow using stakes but we have never seen Buffy train any of them. What makes Dawn so much improtant. Hell if you want to believe Mutant Enemy Dawn learned all she needed to watching Buffy. Again with Anya's demonic nature... so far the only thing demonic I've seen about her is her complexion. Sure she has powers but so do Buffy and Willow. this is my biggest problem with Anya. It's acting like she still has her soul, but as a demon? Screw cannon, I would just like consistent. So while I would question Buffy and Dawn I will out and out disagree with the idea of Anya's demonic anture being dealt with. Spike, well... "Are you real?" WHO would react to someone who tried to rape them? *Beats head against keyboard.* I've volunteered at my local sexual assault center and Buffys' reactions are 100% unique. And using Angel as a paralel Spike WILL recover, and more then likely learn to appreciate his new humanity. Willow... murder is bad? As bad as Giles killing Ben? Buffy killing Faith? (It is the thought that counts.) All I am doing is judging them by the standards they put up seasons 1-5. |
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I was very apprehensive about tonights episode (and season 7 in general). I had my reservations about it. I still do. But i have to say that i enjoyed tonights episode. It was a huge departure from all the doom and gloom that was season 6.
I was expecting there to be at least some talk about "Tara" so i was dissapointed about that. Im sure that subject will be touched upon in the near furture. Heres my weekly list of likes and dislikes: 1) Buffy showing Dawn how to slay. I actually enjoyed that. 2) Xander in a business suit. You can dress him up in his fancy suit but he's still Xander and thats all that matters. 3) No Tara. That will always be a horrible thing. 4) Willow in England. Always loved the Willow/Giles dynamic. (Student/Mentor/Father/Child) 5) Not to much foreshadowing huh. Im sure i have a lot more thoughts floating around im this jumbled head of mine and when i sought them out i'll write more. ~*~Tamara~*~ |
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Just saw the ep. Not impressed.
Willow looks horrible. The show is just empty without Tara. Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.
Tara: Willow, I got so lost.Willow: I found you. I willalways find you. Tara: Nobody messes with MY girl! Willow: I'm more of a breast gal myself...but then again, you knew that. |
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I haven't posted in what feels like forever...but I watched the new episode and I decided I had to come home...no mention of Tara...not in the credits (Did they get rid of Oz so fast?)...no mentions from Willow...Did they even bury the girl? The season already feels so different.
I thought the episode was okay..all set-up though. I do want to know what happens but, I really miss Tara. Renthead3 aka Eva I will love forever.
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I liked this episode. That's all I'm going to say, because reading the arguing going on here reminds me why I don't participate in these types of discussions anymore.
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First thing I wanna say...
Amen to Drop19... I don't think a single thing was said I disagreed with (and that is strange for me... I seem to like to disagree with people or something) I definately agree this was not the Episode to deal with Willow's massive mistakes and the murder of Tara. People kept griping about how dark and whatnot the show had become, and yet a few people said this episode just didn't "feel like" it used to... isn't that a good thing? It felt really refreshing, like the sun might actually come through the clouds left by last season (of course just to be blotted out by some new baddie). Its left me a lot more excited about the upcoming season, and there is little I didn't enjoy about it. On a note with Spike, I've maintained since he got his soul it was no reward. Someone said he was seeking a soul, but why on earth would he be actively seeking that? Yeah, I know he said he wanted to give her what "she deserved" and logic would say "he can kill her, she's not entirely human anymore" but I think if anything, he was wanting his conscience gone... he wanted to be "like I used to be". I think if he anything, he wanted the chip out of his head and to be the ruthless, heartless killer he once was. Someone also said that using Angel as a paralell, Spike will recover. That is a very assumptious(sp) statement to make. And like the villian from Under Siege 2 said... "assumptions are the mother of all @#$% ups". Angel initially tried to continue his "visage" of an evil cold blooded murderer, which is what he was directly prior to getting his soul back. Spike had been trying to be good, he was in love, he was so torn between not being able to be a man, yet not being able to be a demon. While the show may have portrayed all Vampires as just being basically the same thing, there has been aspects to show very huge differences in them and how they deal with things. Angelus when he obtained his soul was a very different vampire than when Spike regained his. Everyone reacts to big things in their life different. Using the show's own examples... when Jenny was killed, when Joyce died, when <insert random dead person here> died, not everyone tried to destroy the world to end their pain and the pain of everyone else. Angelus immediately after gaining a soul tried to keep up the act, Spike (or William, I suspect he might call himself) was lying in the basement of the school. Magic addicted Amy didn't go off the deep end like Willow... everyone reacts to things different, and just because Angel finally got over it, that isn't to say Spike will. Buffy: "If someone did return from a hell dimension... what would they be like?" Giles: "It would take someone of extreme character and will to retain any sense of humanity..." That discussion there shows Angel as being a person of extreme character and willpower. Does Spike have the same will and character? Probably not. And someone reliving the pain that they've caused over hundreds of years, it would be enough to drive someone mad, which it looks like it is doing to Spike. And it took Angel, what, decades to overcome gaining a soul? Spike has not even a year of the show left, so I don't see a chipper Spike emerging from this. Wow, I babbled on about Spike didn't I? Basically, the main point I wanted to make is that the beginning of this season seems really different, but what I would call refreshing. To dwell on what Willow did last season, to dwell on Tara dying, to dwell on Spike trying to rape Buffy, that would make it much to like a season almost everyone has complained about. Tara will have her time to be mourned, but why jump right into that when the season just began? Didn't we all have to suffer through enough angst last season? I'm personally very grateful the first episode (and hopefully the first few) carry a lighter tone. While I loved Tara and will miss her, there's little sense in jumping right into reminding everyone of what happened so strongly. "Everything is connected" "Its all about the Power" "We're going back to the beginning, not just the sense of the word, but the true meaning" (it was something like that) "Something is rising, something even older than the old ones" We're going back to the beginning..... everything is connected... the shape shifty thing showed most of the series' bad guys... The Master, Drucilla, the Mayor, Adam, Glory, Warren.... and finally Buffy. Its all about the power... its all connected... What is all connected? Funny how all of the badies they show all came from the same form... they all connected? Is Buffy somehow connected to them? Going back to the beginning...... the season were Buffy died, they seemed to be eluding to that very same thing. Giles also said something about all of the magic being connected, the light and the dark. Dracula eluded to something similar... that the root of the slayer's power was in darkness. She does good, but has darkness. Perhaps all that will have a bit more meaning? The beginning... the beginning of the slayer perhaps? The origin of the power, the darkness? Maybe we'll see why the Slayer first appeared... maybe this is what Buffy will be fighting. Oh the possibilities are endless! I think this will be a fantastic season. If they do delve into the origin of the Slayer, its power and all that, and with Buffy training Dawn, maybe that will be the setup for the show to continue w/o SMG. If they do this just right, they might could make it work, regardless of all the "Dawn: the Vampire Slayer" bashing that I do :P And some people will just never be happy with anything, will they? Its too dark last season, now its not dark enough this season? (refering back to everything that happened last season would have made the mood too dark) The show sucks now w/o Tara... there were 3 and a half years of the show w/o Tara and those didn't suck. Yes, we lost her, but people move on, and so will the show. This show has had 6 excellent seasons, and I have complete faith the 7th and probably final season will not fail to deliver. "Its all connected" and "We're going back to the beginning" really has me excited. There is SOOOOO much they can do with that, so much they can get into... so much they can "re-hash" with a fresh perspective. I really hope to see more on the beginning of the slayer and whatnot... Anyway, this is probably a mile long, so I'll cut it off here. *waits excitedly for next tuesday* |
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Well, I liked it! I also feel that the whole training Dawn is building up her character to be the next Dawn the Vampire Slayer. She also got introduced to what seems to be the next Scooby Gang battling their first fight against zombie things!
As for the principal knowing a lot about Buffy...hmmm kinda weird, but he did offer her a job that I think she will actually enjoy in the mean time being able to watch over Dawn as well as kick some Vamp butt! Willow seems to be coming along. It's almost like shes born again. Realizing that everything in the world is connected. They gave her the look that she's gone through a lot (missing Tara) and is sorry for what she's done. Yay for Giles for helping Willow through it! ohh ohh and lets not forget about Willow sencing the Hell Mouth is going to open eek! Spike, well it looks like he is so missrable! His plan backfired and now he seems weaker then ever. Mentally and physically. As for the ending...omg!! All the evils from all the seasons! woah...and then the last person, Buffy! I couldn't believe it! Can't wait too see where this is going!! *bounces* *huggles to you all* ~Amy |
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